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Showing posts with label Lakeland. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Lakeland. Show all posts

Friday, May 30, 2008

Why I Believe this Todd Bentley, Fresh Fire "outpouring of the spirits" is not of God

When I first heard about the revival, via an email from a friend, about 4 days or so into the revival, I decided to check it out.

This was the video that made me definitely check out Todd Bentley.

I am a student of revival, and there were obvious things to me that seemed waaaay off in this video.


First, Todd tries to create an apostolic/revivalist/angelic succession. The angel, William Branham, etc. At this point, I had no clue who William Branham was, but I've heard revivals/outpourings speak about the revivalists of old before. You should look into William Branham for yourself, to see what Todd is claiming is on him now.

Then he tries the fire on a Kentucky lady. Unfortunately, not being a veteran of being in the "spirit" she didn't do the courtesy drop or manifestation. I'm sure that changed over time.

At 5 min or so, the fun begins. You know, if you don't understand, well then.....

"I told the Lord why can't I just move in healing and forget talking about all that other stuff?"
"Because, Todd, you have to get the people to believe in the angel."
"I said, God, why do I want people to believe in the angel? "
"Isn't it about getting people to believe in Jesus?"
"He said, the people already believe in Jesus, but the church doesn't believe in the supernatural."
This sounds like another Jesus to me, even when I watched it over and over again, trying to justify what I heard.


That drove me to check out his website, freshfire.ca. It's changed in the last few weeks, as you'll see from the "cleaning out the barn" link above.

There I found out the "revelation" that Todd has encounters with dead people.(I'm sorry, for you "prophetic" and "anointing" seekers, yes, it was supposedly a vision, not speaking to dead people. But in my experience, the conscious conversational interactions in a vision usually are with God, not something you see.)

There I found out that Paul AND Abraham wrote the Book of Hebrews.

There I learned that Todd has no problem with encounters, for he NEVER, EVER, EVER, relates in his teachings, videos, books, or audio that he has EVER TESTED THE SPIRITS.

And one has to ask, if Todd is not listening to and doing what the Bible says, "testing the spirits," what "spirit," according to all we know about the Bible, WHAT did Todd embrace, and continues to embrace?

As I watched videos of Todd at Toronto (pre-tattoos) you hear stuff like this:



Notice, as you look for yourself, check out Freshfire.ca, and his statement of faith there.

You gotta keep that "further revelation" open, yet although claiming they're substantiated by Scripture, as you read, learn, watch, and listen to the encounters, you'll see these "further revelations," equivalent to Scripture in their eyes, are far extra Biblical. (again, see cleaning out the barn)

I ran across some other websites, as listed to the right. On one, I came across this:(start at 3 min IMO, to get the context)
Anyway, around 3.55 in this video - you can fast forward to it - a girl comes forward. After some ministry from Bentley, Todd says: Could we pick her up, I’m not done messin’ with her yet? which is a very odd thing to say, even in jest, and then there is something even odder he says about a minute later - it is like really mocking tongues or mocking ministry - Blablahblahblahblah be drunk! Blah blah blah blah blah blah - he says - what on earth is that about?



You see, I regularly get questioned as to my salvation, whether I believe in the supernatural, what religion am I, when I'm in the chatroom for the revival, and I dare post something that questions the "god" of Todd.

I've been there, done that, bought the tshirt and have the video to prove it as far as the supernatural, and experiencing true Biblical repentance.

I do and can embrace the genuine. There is a difference, and you find that by knowing the real McCoy, as you study your Bible.

I've seen the genuine. I've prayed for, seen people healed, and been healed myself.

In fact, from the beginning of this "The Great Adventure" since I repented of my sins, and put my faith in Jesus Christ, I've seen God's Hand move mightily and have been a "God Chaser" myself, spending many weeks in revivals where God supposedly was blessing with an outpouring, staying "under the spout, where the glory comes out" as one "move" called it.

I've been to Charismatic, Pentecostal, and Fundamentalist churches, and can easily feel at home in any of the above, for they all are right, anointed, and following after God, if in balance with what Scripture Says/Teaches.

I've seen the devil in action on the missions field, and I've seen the overwhelming deception here at home, and see some of the things, compromise, that has got us here, to this.

Todd started as a cheap charlatan, but because he's "christian" we let all kinds of things slide.

I keep hearing people say things like look at what God is doing, keep your eyes on man, not God, and take in the meat, spit out the bones.

There is a basic problem with this. If you read a box's/bottle's ingredients label and it contains things poisonous/harmful to you, do you take in the good stuff, and hopefully aren't affected by the bad, before you spit it out?

As a friend of mine says, how many drops of poison does it take in your glass of water for you to realize you shouldn't drink it?

As you can see in this video, below, his "prophetic/word of knowledge" gift isn't.


There is lots of legitimate, researchable items of concern to anyone who is wondering about this "outpouring of the spirits" in Lakeland.

All it takes for you or I to find the Truth about Todd, Freshfire, the Kansas City Prophets(I'm not going to go into that one), Emma -O, 6 or 7 heavenly realms, Bob Jones, Paul Cain, Patricia King(I'm not going into those three in this post either), etc, is to do the research which is as easy as using a search engine on the internet.

See what the man teaches, does, says, and writes, and compare that to Scripture.

Some of this stuff is ridiculous. Some of it will make you cry for your brothers and sisters involved with this deception.

As you can see here, violence is how Todd's god heals some.


BTW, in the accounts of thousands of claimed healings in the past two months, why isn't there even one medically verified healing/miracle?

We(people who dare question anything about the revival and stand on the evidence) are demonized and told to not "touch 'god's' anointed" or that we're being "critical" or possibly that we are blaspheming the Holy Spirit, when we share the facts.

But personally, if I know my brothers and sisters are having a nice walk down a path, leading over a cliff, I will warn them.

Thursday, May 29, 2008

A Few Links From Let Us Reason Ministries

Todd Bentley “Meet the new thing- same as the old thing” “Will We get fooled again?”pt.1- Todd Bentley's pursuit of the supernatural

pt.2 To be Forewarned is to be Forearmed- How important is it to know the word to test supernatural experiences?

pt.3 A story of Earth and Heaven- Examining Bentleys experience of a pillar of light and his trip to heaven.

pt.4 When the Angel came- The Branham connection- Bentleys claim of the visiting angels revelation and power.

pt.5 The fire- Fresh Fire

Three Questions About The Todd Bentley Florida Outpouring Revival Meetings

\o/An excerpt from the website, Storm Harvest. You can find the entire article/discussion HERE .\o/

...Questions

1. Why are we calling this a revival?
The largest churches in the UK (such as Kensington International) draw more people every week than are turning up to Lakeland. The largest church in Nigeria (Faith Temple) draws three times that number! These churches win as many people to Christ each week as are being won at Lakeland. We do not call them revival because such a term implies that communities are being affected, towns are being changed, nations are being shaken. For a start, there are no credible evaluations of how many have been saved in Lakeland, Florida. Not from any of the main sources. We are now six or seven weeks in! There are estimates of how many people show up, and how many are falling down - but not of salvations?

2. Why have all the recent "revivals" which cause tourism take place in America?
Toronto, Smithton, Pensacola, Lakeland... thousands travelling to see it. Next week in a Northern Indian city there will be a baptism of 10,000 new converts, gathered in from hundreds of COC churches. In two weeks time there will be the confirmation of 8,000 new converts in a Pentecostal assembly in Uganda. It is estimated that 1,000 Iraqis are being converted a week now from Islam. Why don't we fly to those places - whose statistics are far more impressive than Lakeland?(For more information on revival tourism to those places watch this space!)

3. What has our Christianity become about?
Since when is the gospel centrally about a focus on angels, third heaven revelations, impartations and transferable blessings? Since when did Jesus die to make us rich, or to cancel debt we have accrued through the self focused spending we engage in here in the West? What happened to the simplicity of the gospel - repent, believe and be baptized?

We do not think the meetings in Lakeland will do much to make churches around the world look and act more like Jesus. The need for holy love, perfect oneness, release of the saints to ministry and completion of the great commission is not enflamed by enamel teeth or even miraculous healings. These tasks will remain long after Lakeland has become a set of archives in the YouTube history. Before you spend thousands of dollars going there, take a trip to the empty buildings at Pensacola, edifaces with a high debt and few people. Or perhaps go to Toronto and see a city that has successfully resisted God's presence in her midst these last twelve years.

Monday, May 19, 2008

Historical/Apostolic Revival Succession

I don't know if you've been to Ignited Church's Ustream.tv website, where there are regular clips of the services.

Here's a video to check out, where Todd talks about the history of the revival, and the angel. This is from the beginning of the revival, so you can catch a glimpse of the root of this.

Todd Bentley is claiming, or trying to establish a historical/angelic/apostolic connection to "real" revival.

He claims the same angel as William Branham. You should research William Branham.

Notice the same methodology, and similar claims.

Anyhow, the grasping for legitimacy isn't the problem I have with what was said, even if what you learn about Branham, 1948, etc is disturbing.

Even when the lady from Kentucky wasn't trained to fall out "under the spirit" as of yet, and didn't drop when Todd called down the "fire," that's normal. I'm sure she's cured of the challenges to courtesy drops by now.

Anyhow, don't get me started, check the video out for yourself and read my all thumbs transcript.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/355021 At 5:00 is where the real "stuff" begins.

"I told the Lord why can't I just move in healing and forget talking about all that other stuff?"
"Because, Todd, you have to get the people to believe in the angel."
"I said, God, why do I want people to believe in the angel? "
"Isn't it about getting people to believe in Jesus?"
"He said, the people already believe in Jesus, but the church doesn't believe in the supernatural."

Funny,.that doesn't sound like the God of the Bible. He's not stupid. He knows the people in the church don't believe in Jesus.

Do you actually believe the people in the church believe in Jesus? If so, where's the fruit in my/your/their lives?

Sorry, I had to go there. :o|

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/355021

A Pastor's Wife Responds to:Todd Bentley-Revival in Lakeland-Email from a 'Lakeland Resident'

\o/Here is one response to the Todd Bentley Revival in Lakeland-Email From-'A Lakeland Resident' article that was posted at Church Warnings. Enjoy.

I am a pastor's wife and have not seen good fruit in our church from this revival. My heart has been grieved by what has been displayed and then has been reproduced. My desire is not to rip Mr. Bentley to shreds. I would simply like to share the Word in light of this revival because the Word seems to be lacking severely and also in the people who are embracing it.
I would also like to address the dear person that referred to Jezebel resisting the prophetic because she killed the prophets of God and you concluded this is a Jezebel spirit coming against Todd. Please read the Word! She had her own prophets of Baal in 1 KINGS 18:19 (450 prophets of Baal who she liked so much they ate at her (Jezebel's) table). Jezebel LOVED the "prophetic" dear friend! Let us return to the WORD OF GOD and be conformed to it.
1 Thess. 5:19-21 "Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. TEST ALL THINGS: hold fast to what is good."
We MUST test all things. If we are not allowed to test or hold one into account there is a problem.

\o/More on Church Warnings' website. In response to: Todd Bentley Revival in Lakeland-Email From-'A Lakeland Resident'

The Problems with Personal Words From God

\o/ A good article by Bob DeWaay

The Problems with Personal Words From God
How People Become False Prophets to Themselves
by Bob DeWaay

The Bible tells us that God has spoken, infallibly, finally, and authoritatively through people He chose as mediators of His revelation. This is summarized in Hebrews 1:1, 2: “God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.” The Bible further tells us that Christ’s words to us were confirmed through eyewitnesses, the apostles. Hebrews 2:2, 3 says, “For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just penalty, how will we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? After it was at the first spoken through the Lord, it was confirmed to us by those who heard.” The apostles were responsible for giving us the New Testament that constitutes Christ’s authoritative words to His church—the revealed truths that remain binding on all.

In this article let us consider this question: Can a believer receive special revelations that become God’s personal, revealed will for his or her life? Many believe that this special revelation is real—that God provides it today. I contend that they have not thought through some of the concept’s problematic implications. In this article: I will defend the idea that God, since the days of the apostles, has been ruling providentially rather than through further specific revelation—whether through authoritative mediators or directly to individuals.

\o/More of this article at Critical Issues Commentary

Sunday, May 18, 2008

Another good article selection


FALSE HEALING REVIVAL IN FLORIDA?? - 3 Articles by Andrew Strom

A Florida Deception?

"FLORIDA DECEPTION??" -(Watchmen Radio Interview with Andrew Strom)

Todd Bentley and the Florida Outpouring Part 5

An err, umm, blunt article from Theology Today


I have been very outspoken regarding the authenticity of this so called “Florida Outpouring”….I didn’t believe it was of God before and what I’ve just witnessed tonight only confirmed my suspicions. I’ve seen a whole lot of God mocking things in my life….but this by far is the most audacious display of mockery I have ever personally witnessed. If you think I was critical or harsh before then you had better not read any further…..


Todd Bentley and his cohorts really outdid themselves Saturday night in Lakeland Florida. Bentley promised us there would be a “baptism of fire” and he certainly didn’t disappoint the crowd that came to be “anointed with fire”. Here are some of the highlights…if I can call them this….


As always people were coming forward claiming to be healed of things like cancer, diabetes, back aches headaches and such. Glaringly absent….as ALWAYS….were miracles such as completely restored limbs or the dead being raised…which of course they claim happens SOMEWHERE every night….just NEVER on TV….Gee…I wonder why?


People were being brought onstage to Bentley….many either laughing uncontrollably or convulsing….Bentley asks them to “step over there”….apparently where the “angel is”….he shouts “bam”…..laughs hysterically….and they hit the floor writhing and laughing hysterically…..I picture Satan laughing hysterically as well.


You know who NEVER gets affected by any of this? The folks standing behind these silly sheeple who act as “catchers” when the sheeple are being “anointed with fire” or whatever is happening to them. I think it’s amazing how these catchers seem to be the only ones in COMPLETE CONTROL……well I don’t think it’s that amazing….


Pastor Stephen Strader….the clown who brought this whole hoax to Lakeland…..running around like a fool….with his ever present laptop in hand….pretending to be “drunk in the spirit”….falls down…..only he was VERY careful with his PC…..clutching it closely to his chest as he “falls down”…..then calmly gets up and walks over to his chair and sits down…..as if nothing ever happened! Thank you GOD TV for showing this.


Bentley and his cohorts catchphrase…“Come get some” is straight out of the WWE….Maybe when GOD TV goes bankrupt from airing this fiasco the WWE can show this like “Smackdown”….nah…we know Smackdown isn’t real….they only pretend it’s real…but at least its entertaining….there is NOTHING entertaining about Bentley’s version of Smackdown….and anyone with even an ounce of discernement can see this “revival” isn’t the real deal either.


The silly sheeple looking for a sign deserve to be shorn by Bentley…they’ve been warned that what is happening in Lakeland isn’t of God….and they have ignored the warnings and plunged headfirst…or backwards in many cases…into a Satan induced hoax…and they have no one to blame but themselves.


Theology Today will continue to expose this heresy as long as it continues….and I don’t see any end in sight.

http://phillyflash.wordpress.com


Ouch, that burned!


Simple Resources For Further Research

Here are some of the many sites I've used to read up on the revival, and not "feel" one way or the other, whether it is right or not.

Remember, use these links as starting points for your research. Verify and corroborate the information, to make sure it is so.

Witnessing it yourself, video, or reading it yourself, article/"teaching" on Freshfire.CA, is the best way, not just going off of hearsay and what you read somewhere on the Internet.

And be warned, many of the articles/posts/emails/comments you will see on these sites are repeated elsewhere.

Seeing an "opinion" multiple times DOES NOT make it so.

Pray about what's going on in my town of Lakeland, read a little, compare what you read/see to the Bible, to see if it is so.

THE SHORT LIST
Wolf Tracks
Revival School.com Read up on the Forums
Church Warnings

Or, just do some research for yourself, and read some of the links beyond the first page of links. BTW, don't forget to bookmark the link to that little nugget of truth you find.
Google Todd Bentley, and read the articles beyond the first few.
Google Todd Bentley Lakeland There is some good stuff here.
Google Todd Bentley Cold Reading Yes, you read right.


And, if you want to read a lot, and spend a lot of time filtering through tons of information, check out other blogs talking about the Lakeland revival and Todd Bentley.

Wow, it's a beautiful Sunday morning in Lakeland, with the sunrise across the lake!

Good day to you!

Saturday, May 17, 2008

I have earnestly sought the Lord

I have earnestly sought to hear the Lord concerning this "outpouring" in Lakeland. I know absolutely that there have been marvelous creative miracles at those meetings. A few of my friends have gone to the meetings and have reported the wonderful sense of joy and unity among all the thousands of people assembled there. (One of my friends said it was a "Christian Woodstock". Interesting phraseology, don't you think?) I have heard that many "backsliders" are returning to God. Somewhere in all the many thousands that have attended the meetings I'm sure there have even been some unsaved that have cried out to Jesus to save them. (I sincerely hope they know what they need to be saved FROM, though!) Yet, I have continued to be wary of this "outpouring."

Life is short; eternity is long. The most important thing is not that we be "healthy, wealthy and powerful" on this earth; the most important thing is that we please the Lord Jesus Christ and that we be not be blotted out of the Lamb's Book of Life; that we show Christ to this lost, dark world; that we be willing to follow the Lamb WHEREVER He leads, even unto death; that we be counted "good and faithful servants" at the end of this thing we call 'time'.

In Jesus's day, the people wanted to make Him their king when He fed the multitudes from a few loaves and fish. We are no different today. Many would make Him "king" when they are being taken care of: so-called angels of finance get them out of debt, healing angels make them whole. Anyone can serve someone that makes them feel good all the time. But love is tested and purified during the hard times.

I believe that God has answered the cry of my heart about this "outpouring"; I believe He has told me that it IS from His hand, but it is like when He gave His people Saul as their king. Saul was a judgment from God because the people refused to make God their King. I believe this "outpouring" is also like I Kings 22:22: God put a lying spirit in the mouths of the false prophets in order to bring judgment on His disobedient people.

I believe motives are being revealed, tested, purified by those that are earnestly seeking the Lord. I believe that ears are being tickled and hearts are being hardened by those that are seeking their own ways. In these "last of the last days" I believe this "outpouring" is from God in order to bring about a "quick work".

Hello

Hi, I'm that guy from Lakeland who wrote the Email From-'A Lakeland Resident'
that has been making the rounds.

So, as I do some more research on this "thing" going on in my town, I'll post some links to what I find.