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Saturday, May 24, 2008

What's Up With Those Tattoos?

Did you ever wonder about Todd's tattoos, that he got in the last two years?

Here's an article with the pics.

Some of the stuff is just plain obvious that either Todd was stupid in getting the art, or is into something any Christian shouldn't be involved with, let alone plastering on his/her self.

Nobody has explained why a minister of the Gospel went tattoo crazy.

Oh, right, it must be so he can relate to those with tattoos and body piercings, right?

Here's another article with pics.

Here is a forum discussion
about the Japanese words and the different pics.

A Discussion About Todd And Jesus


Messages About the Revival From

Links To Messages From Pastors About The Florida Outpouring

Friday, May 23, 2008

Run For Your Life - Sermon From The Sunday After 9/11

This is a sermon message that was preached the following Sunday after 9/11 attack on the United States at Times Square Church.

Steve Hill and John Kilpatrick speak at FLORIDA REVIVAL

John Kilpatrick's Official Statement about Lakeland

Steve Hill / John Kilpatrick praying for Todd Bentey

John Kilpatrick's Official Statement about Lakeland

What prophecy is currently being fulfilled?

Here's a video to watch.

It's called, What Prophecy Is Currently Being Fulfilled?

What do you think?

False Prophets Duping Christian Parents

Youth Ministries Alert has an article and a video on their website, entitled
Targeting the Children: False Prophets Duping Christian Parents or just check out the website for yourself, Youth Ministries Alert

Warning, don't watch the video until you have read the article and transcript, and compare it to the Scriptures and to New Age teachings, and astral projection. You will notice it compares to the latter, not the former. Be warned.

But remember, these are the people speaking at and leading the revival.

Smells like rotten vanilla to me.

After praying up, watching the video, if you can handle it, and praying again, you'll know what I mean.

Remember, the guy taking these kids into this "experience," Bob Jones, is the same fella who had women stand "naked before the Lord" before him at the Vineyard Aneheim in order to receive a "personal" prophecy. He has no credibility in my eyes. Do you want him taking your kids anywhere?

You might want to research Patricia King, and her encounter with the sUn, and how important the "blue flame" is to her.

And when you read up on Todd Bentley's past, you will never let him be alone with your children, regardless of how much of "God" you feel Todd has, if you have any sense of responsibility as a parent.

There's lots to be careful about with Todd.

The deception over this "revival" is growing.

Notice that the damning evidence is now removed from his website, so the stupid sheep will continue to flock to Lakeland, and pour into Todd's coffers, affecting the economy locally, and devastating/"marinating" several good churches in town before it will be considered "over."

Yet the community is still unchanged, and oblivious to supposedly "God" showing up in town.


If only we had been watchmen several years ago, this would never have descended upon Polk County, Florida.

Lord forgive us for our complacency, and lack of intercession for our church, our community, our nation, and our brothers and sisters in the Lord.

Thursday, May 22, 2008

Cleaning Out The Barn

Todd has been doing some serious housecleaning on his website.

First, Emma is gone.

Now the Abraham and Paul wrote Hebrews article is gone as well?

What's that stinking smell? Is it rotting vanilla?

And, for your temporary enjoyment, here it is, and here's where it was.

Temporary, because if you don't have a copy, this one may go bye bye as well.

Think of all the deceived ones you won't be able to go and say, look and see, when all the youtube and non-Biblical and heretical videos/posts are gone!

BTW, this "teaching" is also located Here. But it's not on Todd's site for some reason.

Man, that vanilla is just rancid!

In Part One of this two-part teaching entitled: A Face to Face Encounter, Todd defines supernatural encounters and experiences based on specific biblical evidence. Then, as he shares his face to face encounter with the Lord Jesus Christ and the apostle Paul, your belief-grid concerning heavenly experiences is sure to be both broadened and challenged. In Part Two, as Todd releases meaty portions of what the apostle Paul taught him, (in the context that Jesus Christ is the door to every heavenly encounter) you’ll be inspired to press in for your own face to face encounter with the Lord.


by Revivalist Todd Bentley [ as edited by Kathy Thorne]
PART 1 of 2

To come face to face with the Lord Jesus Christ is to come face to face with the goodness and glory of God! Oh to be a friend of God like Abraham and Moses were; for out of their intimate friendship with the Lord they had a face to face encounter with Him (Gen. 17:1; Ex. 33:11).

Listen. Today, for a deeper understanding of the apostolic, we need to note that every apostle in the Bible had been with the Lord. Not only were they friends of God who had face to face encounters with Him, they also had supernatural encounters and prophetic experiences. In fact, what made Paul an apostle was that he was taken up into the third heaven where he saw the Lord (1 Cor. 9:1; 2 Cor. 12: 2–4). That’s where his apostleship came from because he wasn’t yet a disciple or an apostle when Jesus was physically on earth.


Now I want to ask an important question. Can Paul’s experience also be ours today? The answer is “yes” and I say this because Jesus Christ is the same today as He was yesterday when Paul was on earth, and He’s the same forever (Heb. 13:8).

Now consider this: Jesus’ healing virtue is still released through His trusted servants today and that means that He heals people today just like He did two thousand years ago. What a great promise when it comes to healing, but why not for the supernatural? If He’s the same today, then why can’t He visit me like He visited Abraham? If He’s the same today, why can’t He visit me like He visited Daniel? Why can’t He visit me like He visited John? Why can’t He visit me like He visited Isaiah? How about Ezekiel?

Yes, Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and that makes what’s available in “Bible days” available today. It’s not just about healing and laying hands on the sick and seeing miracles, as great as these are, but it’s also about supernatural encounters with God. Do you believe that? Do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead and over five hundred people saw Him for forty days in His resurrected body (1 Cor. 15:6)?

Do you believe supernatural things can take place today? I’m asking this because we’re okay with angels showing up and speaking to Mary and Joseph, but we’re not okay with angels showing up and speaking to us. We’re okay with Paul being taken into heaven, or what he called the third heaven—caught up into a place called paradise. We’re okay with that. It’s good for Paul, or it’s good for Elijah. Yet both Paul and Elijah were men just like we are, and as you know, they’re both in heaven today. So are Abraham and Isaiah, for example. They aren’t on earth anymore for God to interact with. But God, by His very nature, wants to interact with somebody supernaturally. My question is: Why not you?

Why should anyone’s experience in Christianity today be any different from what people experienced in Bible days? Take Peter. He was in prison (See Acts 12:1–17). While an all night prayer meeting took place (on his behalf in someone’s house) an angel of the Lord came to Peter in his cell and his chains miraculously fell off his hands. Then he was led by the angel out of jail into the city. Peter made his way to the prayer meeting and when he arrived and knocked on the door they didn’t really believe that he was at the door! They said (paraphrased): “Ah, it’s not Peter, it’s his angel.”

My point is this. As God pours out His greater glory, we’re going to hear about supernatural encounters and prophetic experiences, and they’re going to be based on the way God moved supernaturally, in ancient times, for people in the Bible.


What’s the purpose for supernatural encounters and prophetic experiences? You might be thinking: We’ve got the Bible and that’s enough! For me, it’s about intimacy, but not just that. It’s: Why wait for your inheritance? When you get to heaven what do you think you’re going to see? What do you expect it to be like in heaven? After all, the kingdom of heaven is at hand, the kingdom of God is within you, so why wait?

I’m hungry now. I’ve got an inheritance, I’m a joint heir, I don’t have to wait for: One day I’m going to be in heaven. Thank God that’ll be fullness. I’ll be in eternity. What’s more, we don’t only need greater faith, we also need a greater expectation that God wants to impart something to us. We need an expectation that He is going to touch us; He is going to speak to us; He is going to visit us.

Look. Heaven is real; it’s tangible, and the glory of heaven is real. It changes everything it touches. Furthermore, God wants the reality of heaven to be made known to His friends. For Jesus told His disciples—after He established the fact they were His friends if they did what He commanded—“No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you” (John 15:15).

God is looking for true friends with whom He can reveal His glory. There is a purpose for this desire. For instance, as God has revealed different aspects of His glory to me this year I’ve gained a deeper friendship with God. This has helped me to keep pressing in for all the fullness of God that I can contain, not just for my satisfaction, but ultimately so that He can work through me and cause others to know Him and be saved.

Now I want to share about an amazing prophetic experience concerning God’s glory that I had in a meeting in Redding, California this year. Here we go!


In that meeting, about an hour before I was due to speak, I was suddenly overcome by the Holy Spirit. Feeling somewhat weak, as if I was going to go into a trance (a biblical trance like the apostle Peter had—Acts 10:9, 10), I asked my team to take me to a nearby place called ‘The Green Room.’ Sitting down on the couch I could feel a strong overwhelming sense of the presence of God and I knew I was going to fall into a trance. I was going to have a supernatural encounter.

Then, in the chair, with my eyes open, I had an open vision. Jesus appeared right in front of me. It was as though He stepped right out of heaven, the Lord Jesus Himself, and stood before me as a Man. I saw that behind the Lord, almost like a projection, a vision of heaven shone from the back of the His body; a trail of heaven followed Him, it was projected behind him. It was as though a window was open and I could look right into heaven itself. But heaven had come from the Lord. In fact, heaven is the Lord.

Out of the Lord came beams of white and golden light. Such brightness! From out of the white, golden, light came other brilliant colors—blue, purple, green, red and pink were the main ones—like rainbows. Pink prophetically represents love and emotions. I saw what looked to be ten rainbows coming from the Lord, Himself. It reminded me of the description of the throne room in Ezekiel 1:28—“Like the appearance of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the brightness all around it. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD.” I even saw rivers of oil, rivers of honey, and I saw bridges.

Then the Lord did two things to me. He walked up to me and He put His hand inside my belly and He gave me a supernatural enablement to live through what was about to take place. He was establishing me so I wouldn’t die. I say that because when I saw heaven I wanted to pass the Lord and go right in. But the Lord said, “If you pass Me right now, you will die. Todd, you are not just having a vision, you are in heaven and this is real.” The Lord said, “I am the gate, I am the door, I am the ladder. There is no heaven without Me.” He said if you pass Me, you will die. Something sustained me. He put His hand on my shoulder and looked me in the eyes and said, “Peace I give you, not as the world gives,” and a great peace came over me like a vibration and my whole body trembled while I received the peace of God.

Then the vision faded. Yet I was so overcome by the glory of God I just laid on the floor in the Green Room and as I was lying there, unexpectedly I was caught up instantly into the spirit. I was no longer aware that I was in a conference setting. All of a sudden I was standing on a grassy hill and I saw still waters. I saw a river flowing between its banks. It was like Psalm 23, green pastures, and I was looking down. I thought the (flowing) river was going to be pure, living water but as I looked I saw that it was a river of oil and honey. Next the colors changed from pink and rainbows, white light and the color of gold, to orangey red. Everywhere I looked was the appearance of amber. Everywhere, it was like a sunrise or a sunset, red or ruby or orangey red.

I looked up to my left and there was a bridge, and my first thought was: What a secret place. Still waters, I am in Paradise, this is Psalm 23. Look at that beautiful bridge! I just want to sit up on the bridge. That’s what I was thinking. The butterflies were flying by and I felt the peace of God; I was overcome by the shalom. Wow. I thought: Look at that bridge. Now, when you think something in heaven, you are there, so although I don’t actually remember moving, the next thing I knew I was actually sitting on the bridge.

While in this heavenly experience sitting up on the bridge I saw someone walking toward me. I knew in my spirit it was Paul the apostle. He walked right onto the bridge and he sat down next to me. He had this blank scroll in his hand and he started writing with a pen (which was more like a feather with ink). When he started writing it looked like Hebrew and he would say, “Eat this.” He continued writing on the scroll, saying “Eat this” again and again. But when I realized I was eating, I noticed that I wasn’t eating by my mouth, I was eating by my belly. He was stuffing his writings inside my spirit right past by head, putting some kind of divine revelation right into my spirit.

Then Paul spoke to me about the message of the hour for the Church and much more. Yet, it would be best to hold his inspiring message and the other heavenly adventures in connection with Paul until Part Two next week.

In the meantime, for those of you who want to study this subject matter further I want to recommend several excellent resources [three audio CD sets]: Greater Glory 2 gathering (from which this teaching comes); Developing your Seer Gift; Encounters of the Kingdom Kind; and Open Heavens.


In Part Two of: A Face to Face Encounter, Todd begins by emphasizing that friendship with God must precede any face to face encounter with Him. Then as he shares several highlights concerning what the apostle Paul taught him you’ll discover who authored the Book of Hebrews as well as what other heavenly realms Todd saw. So be blessed in your pursuit of God’s greater glory which ultimately is God, Himself!


by Revivalist Todd Bentley [ as edited by Kathy Thorne]
PART 2 of 2

Before we begin this week’s teaching I’m going to emphasize one vital element from last week’s lesson, namely—friendship with God—and then resume where we left off concerning my encounter with the apostle Paul. [As well, because Part One lays a foundation for my visit with Paul, if you haven’t read it please do so before you begin Part Two.]


God highly esteems your friendship with Him. Not superficial friendship, but real, deep friendship—the kind forged through His fiery testings as well as His blessings. Look, even if you don’t really understand the great shakings of God in your life but you are still determined to trust in His inherent goodness and great love for you, such devotion thrills His heart. With an attitude like that God can’t help but be moved to commune with you on a deeper level, a level which is directly connected to the depth of intimacy you have with Him.

Take Moses for example; ultimately his friendship with God was so rich that God didn’t communicate with him like He did with most prophets in a vision or a dream, but He spoke “with him face to face, even plainly, and not in dark sayings” and “as a man speaks to his friend” (Num. 12:8; Ex. 33:11). In fact, face to face encounters with God like the one Moses had, only come after true friendship with Him.

So keep that friendship principle in mind as we move on to examine more facets of the encounter I had with Paul in the Paradise of God (the third heaven). So here we go!


Now, continuing from last week, after Paul “fed” me revelation he stressed that the beginning of First Corinthians Chapter Two contains the most important passage of scripture for the church in this hour because it’s the message of the cross. “And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified” (vv. 1, 2).

In fact, when you read First Corinthians Chapter Two, yes, Paul begins by preaching the cross, but he also speaks about the hidden mysteries and he ends with preaching about revelatory gifts and the deep things of God (vv. 7–16).

Consequently he spoke to me about a supernatural faith, a supernatural gospel, and a supernatural experience. Paul said (paraphrase): “I was never just (only) a preacher of the gospel and I was never just a man of the gospel and salvation. I was a prophet of visions and revelations. I was a man of prophetic encounters and prophetic experiences. I was a man of the open heavens. I was a man that believed in the revelatory gift of the Spirit of God searching the deep things of God and revealing it to me. This is what the church needs and this is what God is doing today. The focus is going to be on a demonstration of the Holy Ghost in power. God has revealed these things to us by His spirit. We have the mind of Christ—a spirit of revelation searching the deep things of God.”

To summarize, Paul was saying that, above all, God is releasing the message of the cross, the gospel, in power (preaching and salvation), but not without hidden mysteries and not without revelation.


After that, Paul took me to his house. (I was still in paradise [the third heaven]. His house wasn’t a mansion. It was actually a small cabin. There was an open field and a forest there.) Inside his cabin I saw books wall to wall, and scrolls. I saw every book that’s in the Bible as well as Paul’s diaries/journals that covered things that had happened in his meetings, things God had spoken to him, and things he had written that aren’t in the Bible. Paul said, “Not everything’s in there, Todd. Not everything’s in the Bible.” Just so you know, Paul didn’t give me a new gospel and all my revelation is based on the Bible. I’m not talking about a new gospel!

Paul took down the book of Titus and he said, “You need to eat this.” He explained that Titus was his apostolic son in the faith, and he said, “This is for the sons and daughters that you are raising up. I want you to get an impartation of what it really means to be an apostle, what it really means to have sons and daughters, and what it really means to be a son.”

Next he took down another scroll; this time it was Hebrews and he told me to eat it. This book is one of the most prophetic books in the Bible, and in that connection he told me something that I want to share with you even though I’m probably “stepping out” on theology now.

First of all, I want you to understand that Paul always made it clear when he authored an epistle—“Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ” or “Paul, a bond-servant of Christ.” Always! Yet, for the Book of Hebrews, although most Bible scholars believe that it was authored by Paul, there are those that really can’t say it was him because the authorship is never clear. Paul told me why.

Here is what he said to me. “Do you know why I know so much about Abraham?” [So much of Hebrews is based on other things that you just can’t pull from in other scriptures.] Paul said, “When I was in the third heaven, Abraham was with me like you are with me now. Abraham himself shared (information) with me and I simply wrote it” (in the Book of Hebrews). “The authorship isn’t clear because it was Abraham and I; Abraham shared the content with me.” [Much of Hebrews is about Abraham; i.e. Hebrews Chapter 11.]

He said (paraphrased): “Remember, when I was caught up into the third heaven, I heard inexpressible words. I actually spoke with Abraham, and Abraham shared details with me about what took place, about Melchizedek and all these things that only Abraham knew. I authored the book as the Holy Spirit moved on me, supernaturally. Some of what I wrote, I learned by talking to Abraham face to face when I visited him in heaven.” That’s what Paul told me!


What’s more, several days later I was taken back into heaven to Paul’s house! But this time I didn’t go inside. I stayed outside where I saw a ladder in his back yard like the one described in Genesis 28, Jacob’s ladder. [I’ve come to understand that there are ladders like that in heaven in order to ascend and descend into different realms because heaven has places, geographical places. For example, the first heaven is where we live on the earth; the second heaven is the invisible realm of Ephesians 6: 12; and the third heaven where I was with Paul, it’s the Paradise of God (Rev. 2:7).]

So I jumped onto the ladder and began to climb up into another realm. I saw around me that it was all clouds so I began to pull those clouds back. As I did, a hole opened up in the heavens. Immediately then, out of heaven, flowed the color green, not just a light; it was like a green liquid and it was pouring onto my eyes! When I asked God about this, He said, “You are coming into the throne room; you are beneath the sea of glass; there is a rainbow around the throne. It’s not just above the throne; it’s a circle around the throne, a rainbow, emerald green in color.” [“And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald” (Rev. 4:3).] This is the fourth realm of heaven, the throne room, (with more realms to follow). [You can read Revelation Chapter Four for a good description of the throne room.]

I went up from the throne room into the fifth realm which is the heavenly city. I saw streets that are golden and mansions and I noticed that it was very different from the Paradise of God (third heaven) where there are hills, still waters, and flowers. It wasn’t as peaceful. Then came the sixth realm of heaven which is the place where the angels live. There is literally a realm reserved for Michael, Gabriel, all the archangels and all the angels under the archangels! This isn’t the second heaven, the angel and demon realm, where they battle. It’s a realm where the angels dwell.

Then the last heaven I saw, the seventh realm was other universes and the solar systems; undiscovered universes and planets that God has created.

So I ascended the seven atmospheres of heaven but it all began with a face to face encounter with the Lord Jesus Christ. How many of you are getting a little bit hungry, hungry for greater glory, which ultimately is Jesus Christ? More of Him!


I shared these supernatural encounters because I want to bring heaven closer to home. Ezekiel saw the glory. Heaven opened and he was taken into visions of God. (See Ezekiel 1; 8; 9; 10; 11; 37; 40; 41–44; 47.) I’m not just talking about having a vision. Ezekiel was taken into visions of God. How many of you would like to have a season of visions of God? A season of visitations of the Lord? A season of encountering the heavenly glory? A season of coming under the spirit of wisdom and revelation? A season of open portals and heavenly glory?

If you’re like me, then you want open heavens of heavenly glory. Now I’m not promising you that you’re going to have an experience like mine; however, I want to bring forth a perspective so that faith comes alive in your heart! I am saying you could make yourself available today for deeper and deeper friendship with the Lord.

If that’s your heart, if you are longing to encounter God in deeper intimacy, if you are longing to behold His face and to be in the wonder of His presence, then I want to pray today that God will open the eyes of your heart as you press-in for this and all that He has for you. Let’s pray.

Lord, we’re so hungry for You in Your glory, for You in Your presence. That’s what we’re hungry for. It’s Your greater glory.

For the people reading this teaching, Lord I ask that you would open the eyes of their hearts, oh God. Take them into a deeper place of intimacy and friendship that they would behold Your beauty face to face. In Jesus’ name. Amen.

Related Article from Heal The Land

Are These Biblical Angels?

Here's an interesting excerpt from an article commenting on Todd Bentley's teaching on Angelic Hosts.

If you haven't read Todd's teaching, you won't understand where he's coming from and what he's involved with.

This Quote is from the website Undeception.
...Now, do I believe in angels? Sure. Do I believe what Todd Bentley and Bob Jones say about them? Do you?

If so, you must claim an absolutely unprecedented move by the Holy Spirit and a marked change in the disposition of His work in the world, since you will be hard-pressed to find any such barking, squawking, or other bestial manifestations attributed to moves of God in Scripture. Nebuchadnezzar’s descent into madness (as a sign of God’s judgment on him) is the only thing that springs to mind.

If we should not believe these angel stories, how much credence should we put in Bentley’s Lakeland Revival, characterized as it is by a similar preoccupation with angels? If these guys aren’t to be believed when they claim the above things as spiritual realities from their positions of (ostensible) spiritual authority, how in the world would God expect us to believe the prophecies and alleged healings at the Lakeland Revival? How are the weak expected to wade through the junk to find the truth?...

File For Later Research - Too Much Information.

Another fascinating article with lots of information/links for further research.

BTW, I don't agree with this author's tone in the verbiage he uses in parts of this paper/article, but the concerns/criticisms he makes are made in a manner that are easily checked out, to see if what he said is so, and if what he says/implies is supported by Scripture.

It's hard to come to a place where you call it like it is, as Josef does, when I'm/we're living in the USA being brought up in a tolerance society, and our Christianity was taught by a compromising Church.

I'll have to read this one, dissect it, and check all the links/references out for myself, later.

Now where's that copy of The Revival Hymn and Ten Shekels and A Shirt that I obviously need to listen to again?

Todd Bentley Encounters With Angels

Listen to Todd talk about angels.

Wowza, does that match Scripture, or what?

The answer is: (drum roll please) Or What.

Notice that an old man brings the angel to Todd. Notice that "god" said the angel was assigned to Todd from the beginning, years before.

I guess Todd's angel took a few years off, as there wasn't any evidence during the time between the "visions" of the angel?

Were they slain in the spirit or bored to death?

Sounds like a lot of churches I know. Link

Wouldn't we rather see this?

"Wesley was a preacher of righteousness that exalted the holiness of God. And when he would stand there with the two to three-hour sermons that he was accustomed to deliver in the open air and he would exalt the holiness of God and the law of God and the righteousness of God and the justice of God and the wisdom of His requirements and the justice of His wrath and His anger and then he would turn to sinners and tell them of the enormity of their crimes and their open rebellion and theie treason and their anarchy. The power of God would so descend upon the company that on one occasion it is reliably reported that when the people dispersed, there
were 1,800 people lying on the ground utterly unconscious because they’d had a revelation of the holiness of God and in the light of that, they’d seen the enormity of their sin. And God had so penetrated their minds and hearts that they had fallen to the ground." Paris Reidhead, Ten Shekels And A Shirt

Bob, Todd, and 13 "Wise" Virgins

From the Sunday Life section of our local paper, The Lakeland Ledger, a New York Times Company,

"Tonight, visiting evangelist Todd Bentley says he has been told by a prophet, Bob Jones, that 13 wise virgins would carry the revival forward. So Bentley calls teenagers up to the stage and "anoints" them, touching them and watching many fall backward, a practice Pentecostals call being "slain in the Spirit." It's just the beginning of an hours-long service."

Hmmmmm. Makes you wonder.


As I type it's ironic what's posted on the "Todd Bentley Event" chatroom, see below, by the psalmbot program/personality of the poster, ladynada:

05/22/2008[07:29] <+PsalmBot> [†] MSG [†] Matthew 24:24 Fake Messiahs and lying preachers are going to pop up everywhere. Their impressive credentials and dazzling performances will pull the wool over the eyes of even those who ought to know better.
[07:29] <+PsalmBot> [†] MSG [†] Matthew 24:25 But I've given you fair warning.
[07:29] <+PsalmBot> [†] MSG [†] Matthew 24:26 "So if they say, "Run to the country and see him arrive!' or, "Quick, get downtown, see him come!' don't give them the time of day

Wow, is that baalam's donkey speaking the truth, or what?

BTW, you can access the chatroom by having a login on either the website or via the Ignited Church pages during the "service" times. If you have an IRC program, like MIRC or Chatzilla for Firefox, you can join in 24/7 with a login via their server and the channel #great-florida-healing-reviva (no "L").

Just be warned, when you share your opinion, question the herd mentality, question any of the manefestations or the legitimacy of healings, or dare to post something like that which is above, Scripture, you will be banned. I lost count, when using MIRC, of the number of people banned on the channel.

Go figure.

I enjoy reading what the church is into, and noticing how financial deliverance is as important as healings to the chatroom crowd.

Tuesday, May 20, 2008

Revival Cartoons?

Whilst catching the fire....Jimmy was burnt to a crisp.

More, politically correct, revival/church/world/Christian cartoons over at ASBO Jesus.

Everybody's Going, Why Not You?

If you live in Lakeland, go to a church that might be considered Charismatic or Pentecostal, and have concerns about the "revival/outpouring" when your pastor/flock goes regularly to the meetings, this is how you may feel. \o/

What's being served at Todd Bentley's Florida Outpouring?

\o/ Something I found over at Living In The Way. \o/

Self-Proclaimed "Revivalist" Todd Bentley's website describes his "ministry" and his "passion" this way...

The passion of Todd's life and ministry: is to see others set free through the anointing of the Holy Spirit and to see others come into the reality of intimate relationship with Jesus. He also desires to see Christ's body healed, equipped and rising up in the power of the Holy Spirit to fulfill the great commission.

Really?? I would argue that that is a patently false statement! And I believe Todd's method of operation proves it!

I have watched the live footage of the "Florida Outpouring" Revival from Lakeland, Florida on GODTV for many nights now and have seen practically NO preaching or teaching of the Word of God by Mr. Bentley. In a basic count..... More Here


  • When people tell you that Jesus is actually showing up or they saw Jesus in a vision etc., remember this:

Mat 24 v 23-27 ”23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” (i.e., we will NOT see Jesus again in ANY form until his second coming and at such time every eye will see him at the same time)

  • When people tell you that God ‘told them so’ or ‘gave them the vision/prohpecy’ hence you MUST believe it, but it does not tie up 100% with scripture, remember this:

Jeremiah 14 v14 “Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.”

Ezekiel 13 v 2-9 ”2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: ‘Hear the word of the LORD! 3 This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! 4 Your prophets, O Israel, are like jackals among ruins. 5 You have not gone up to the breaks in the wall to repair it for the house of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the LORD. 6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, “The LORD declares,” when the LORD has not sent them; yet they expect their words to be fulfilled. 7 Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, “The LORD declares,” though I have not spoken? 8 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign LORD. 9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.”

  • If someone tells you that Satan can’t make visions or prophecies come true, remember this:

Deuteronomy 13 v 1-5 ”4 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.”

  • When people tell you that they can see Angles, or have an Angel guiding them, or have Angels imparting wisdom or biblical revelation, remember this:

John 14 v 26 Jesus said: “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

  • When people tell you that these ’strange’ manifestations are from God, remember this:

2 Timothy 1 v 7 “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.”

2 Thess 2 v 9-10 “Even him who is coming after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not a love of the truth that they might be saved.”

  • If people tell you that Satan can’t cast out or deliver people from demons, remember this:

Matthew 12 v 27 Jesus said to the Pharisees: “And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.”

  • If people tell you that signs and wonders bring people to greater heights in their faith or lead people into a truly born again experience, remember this:

John 12 v 37 ”But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him.”

John 4 v 48 ”Then Jesus said to him, “Unless you people see signs and wonders, you will by no means believe.”

John 6 v 26 Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled.”

Matt 24 v 24: “For false Christ’s and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.”

  • If people tell you that you are not to judge God’s ‘anointed’, remember this:

Deuteronomy 13 v 12-14 “13 If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in 13 that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town.” (Sword = Word of God)

Proverbs 17 v 150 “He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD”

Proverbs 18 v 15 “The heart of the prudent acquires knowledge, and the ear of the wise seeks knowledge

Titus 1 v 9 “Holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.”

1 Timothy 1 v 3 “That you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine”

John 7 v 24 Jesus said: “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment” (using the Word of God)

Rom 16 v 17 “Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them

1 Corinthians 5 v 9 v 13 “9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler–not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES

(‘Do not judge those who are within the Church?’ - This is an angry response by Paul to those who say ‘do not judge those within the church’, he is saying, WHAT? REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.)

  • If someone tells you that to speak up or warn a brother that they are in error or deception is wrong and we need to instead ’show love’ for ‘God is love’, remember this:

When we show someone they are in error it’s out of deep concern and love, the same love and concern that Jesus has when his Children go astray.

Acts 20 v 25-31 ”25 Now I know that none of you among whom I have gone about preaching the kingdom will ever see me again. 26 Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of all men. 27 For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. 28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. 29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. 31 So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears

  • If someone tells you that a particular person is anointed (hence you HAVE to listen to them) but you yourself are a truly born again believer, remember this:

1 Jonn 2 v 27 “But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.”

I John 2 v 20 v 21 “But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth”

  • If any Christian seeks or needs signs and wonders to show them who Jesus is, then something is very wrong with their spiritual lives, because the Holy Spirit brings ALL things to your remembrance for those who are truly born again, remember this:

John 14 v 26 Jesus said: “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

Remember this:

2 John 1 v 9 “Whosoever transgresses and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son”

2 Thes 2 v 11 “For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false in order that may all may be judged who did no believe in the truth but took pleasure in wickedness”

Monday, May 19, 2008

Todd, Are You Being Deceptive, or Just Doing Some Damage Control?

\o/Todd's being either deceptive or doing some typical political damage control.
You be the judge.\o/

From Living In The Way

Todd Bentley: Do we have anything to worry about?

You tell me...

Take a look at this article about Todd Bentley's angelic visitation:

\o/Keep on comparing what you read from me/others/Todd
to what you see/know in the Bible. \o/

Historical/Apostolic Revival Succession

I don't know if you've been to Ignited Church's website, where there are regular clips of the services.

Here's a video to check out, where Todd talks about the history of the revival, and the angel. This is from the beginning of the revival, so you can catch a glimpse of the root of this.

Todd Bentley is claiming, or trying to establish a historical/angelic/apostolic connection to "real" revival.

He claims the same angel as William Branham. You should research William Branham.

Notice the same methodology, and similar claims.

Anyhow, the grasping for legitimacy isn't the problem I have with what was said, even if what you learn about Branham, 1948, etc is disturbing.

Even when the lady from Kentucky wasn't trained to fall out "under the spirit" as of yet, and didn't drop when Todd called down the "fire," that's normal. I'm sure she's cured of the challenges to courtesy drops by now.

Anyhow, don't get me started, check the video out for yourself and read my all thumbs transcript. At 5:00 is where the real "stuff" begins.

"I told the Lord why can't I just move in healing and forget talking about all that other stuff?"
"Because, Todd, you have to get the people to believe in the angel."
"I said, God, why do I want people to believe in the angel? "
"Isn't it about getting people to believe in Jesus?"
"He said, the people already believe in Jesus, but the church doesn't believe in the supernatural."

Funny,.that doesn't sound like the God of the Bible. He's not stupid. He knows the people in the church don't believe in Jesus.

Do you actually believe the people in the church believe in Jesus? If so, where's the fruit in my/your/their lives?

Sorry, I had to go there. :o|

Honest Questions About the Lakeland Revival

\o/ Did J. Lee Grady and Charisma Magazine jump the gun with their announcement/support of this revival?

Does this sound like a, well, we shouldn't have been so Johnny on the spot with our news blast?

Honest Questions About the Lakeland Revival
I support any holy outbreak of revival fervor. But let’s be careful to guard ourselves from pride and error.

\o/More Here, in the original article.

A Pastor's Wife Responds to:Todd Bentley-Revival in Lakeland-Email from a 'Lakeland Resident'

\o/Here is one response to the Todd Bentley Revival in Lakeland-Email From-'A Lakeland Resident' article that was posted at Church Warnings. Enjoy.

I am a pastor's wife and have not seen good fruit in our church from this revival. My heart has been grieved by what has been displayed and then has been reproduced. My desire is not to rip Mr. Bentley to shreds. I would simply like to share the Word in light of this revival because the Word seems to be lacking severely and also in the people who are embracing it.
I would also like to address the dear person that referred to Jezebel resisting the prophetic because she killed the prophets of God and you concluded this is a Jezebel spirit coming against Todd. Please read the Word! She had her own prophets of Baal in 1 KINGS 18:19 (450 prophets of Baal who she liked so much they ate at her (Jezebel's) table). Jezebel LOVED the "prophetic" dear friend! Let us return to the WORD OF GOD and be conformed to it.
1 Thess. 5:19-21 "Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. TEST ALL THINGS: hold fast to what is good."
We MUST test all things. If we are not allowed to test or hold one into account there is a problem.

\o/More on Church Warnings' website. In response to: Todd Bentley Revival in Lakeland-Email From-'A Lakeland Resident'

The Problems with Personal Words From God

\o/ A good article by Bob DeWaay

The Problems with Personal Words From God
How People Become False Prophets to Themselves
by Bob DeWaay

The Bible tells us that God has spoken, infallibly, finally, and authoritatively through people He chose as mediators of His revelation. This is summarized in Hebrews 1:1, 2: “God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.” The Bible further tells us that Christ’s words to us were confirmed through eyewitnesses, the apostles. Hebrews 2:2, 3 says, “For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just penalty, how will we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? After it was at the first spoken through the Lord, it was confirmed to us by those who heard.” The apostles were responsible for giving us the New Testament that constitutes Christ’s authoritative words to His church—the revealed truths that remain binding on all.

In this article let us consider this question: Can a believer receive special revelations that become God’s personal, revealed will for his or her life? Many believe that this special revelation is real—that God provides it today. I contend that they have not thought through some of the concept’s problematic implications. In this article: I will defend the idea that God, since the days of the apostles, has been ruling providentially rather than through further specific revelation—whether through authoritative mediators or directly to individuals.

\o/More of this article at Critical Issues Commentary

Who Says the Lakeland "Revival" Isn't About the Money?

\o/ An interesting article by A Little Leaven.

Who Says the Lakeland "Revival" Isn't About the Money?

Todd Bentley's defenders have been sending us emails claiming that the Lakeland "Revival" is not about the money. We beg to differ. All you have to do is visit Todd Bentley's 'Fresh Fire' website and you'll see that they are fishing for money. In fact, the site says "Sow Seed Into Revival Now!" [Seed is a Word Faith euphemism that means MONEY]

Since, when does God need money for revival? How on earth can anyone with a conscience make the claim that if you send them money that God would turn that into revival? We thought the Bible said that God owns the cattle on a thousand hills. God is loaded. Why would God make revival contingent upon you sending money to Todd Bentley?

\o/ Have you been by Freshfire.Ca and taken a look??? While you're there, check out Todd's statement of faith.

Sunday, May 18, 2008

Another good article selection

FALSE HEALING REVIVAL IN FLORIDA?? - 3 Articles by Andrew Strom

A Florida Deception?

"FLORIDA DECEPTION??" -(Watchmen Radio Interview with Andrew Strom)

The Lakeland Outpouring is a winnowing field-a place of separation

\o/This was posted on the forums.

The Lakeland Outpouring is a winnowing field-a place of separation
By Bryan Hupperts

In early 1991 I was listening to a tape by Paul Cain describing how God changed his body chemistry so he would not desire women. Most took this as a call to celibacy. I was disturbed by his phrasing and began to pray over what he said and finally got a definite warning from the Holy Spirit: This man is unclean. Stay away form him.

With my Foursquare/Vineyard background, you can imagine how well this went over with pastors and saints who wondered why I refused to jump into "the river." I was put out of ministry, given the left foot of fellowship on several occasions for touching God's Anointed. My motives and character were continually attacked. Finally, Paul was outed as an alcoholic and homosexual. God's warning came true.

In 1999 I was given a vision of a flowing river. Upstream, many prophets were urinating and defecating into this river and the unsuspecting saints down the way were dipping their silver cups of salvation into this river and gagging on the disgusting human waste and impurities.

The pastor of the inde charismatic church I attended at the time ripped me to shreds, slandered me, and so on. He and his associate had a gift for planting rumors some of which shadow me even today. At the time, I didn't make the connection but this local church had the word River in their title and I think they may have taken it personally. Yes, they were a "river" church, too. Take a hard look at the state of the prostituted prophetic movement. Even their leaders will admit that most of what is called prophetic ministry simply isn't. I believe this word has come true.

Before the outbreak of the Iraq war, based on things the Holy Spirit had warned me about, I wrote Pres Bush an open letter warning him of the debacle to come. I quoted news headlines 2 and 3 years before they were written and pleaded with him not to take this foolish course of action. You can imagine how the republican saints in my church came unglued. People were screaming at me, calling me a liberal and a traitor. Still, every word came true.

I write these things because there are many false prophets in the world. Kim Clement is a great example. False word after false word, and the hits just keep coming. Yet, like dogs to their vomit (yes, that's in Proverbs) saints keep running back to him (and others like him) for "words from the Lord." Further, they regularly reviling those of us with accurate prophetic track records. I was grieved over this for years until the Holy Spirit whispered, "It's because they do not love the Truth." If they truly loved the Truth they would love those who share the Truth as well as the God of Truth.

That was eye-opening.

I was visited by God powerfully during a Rodney Howard Brown meeting in the 90s. God did a work in me that remains. I saw others in the same meetings get weirder and weirder until they are no longer orthodox Christians. It's all angels and jewels and gold dust. One wind of doctrine after the next. Spiritually seems to be measured in how bizarre you can behave.

I suspect what is happening is that God is giving people their hearts desire - whatever that desire is. If they seek for God with all of their heart, it is God they get. If it is something else they desire, they are getting that, too. It is a scary reality that God promises to give those who do not love the Truth over to delusion so that they will believe lies! See 2 Thessalonians 2:11

I believe the Lakeland Outpouring is a winnowing field, a place of separation between wheat and chaff, the sheep and the goats. 2 Timothy 4:3-4, "For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."

If there is no sound doctrine, there is no love of the Truth. I believe the wheat is being separated to be gathered into the Father's barns while the chaff is being separated and gathered together to be burned in the unquenchable fire.

Be careful what you love for God will answer you according to all that is truly in your heart. Ezekiel 14:7 "‘When any Israelite or any alien living in Israel separates himself from me and sets up idols in his heart and puts a wicked stumbling-block before his face and then goes to a prophet to enquire of me, I the LORD will answer him myself."

Unless you love the Truth, God will give you over to the idols of your heart.

Bryan Hupperts

Todd Bentley and the Florida Outpouring Part 5

An err, umm, blunt article from Theology Today

I have been very outspoken regarding the authenticity of this so called “Florida Outpouring”….I didn’t believe it was of God before and what I’ve just witnessed tonight only confirmed my suspicions. I’ve seen a whole lot of God mocking things in my life….but this by far is the most audacious display of mockery I have ever personally witnessed. If you think I was critical or harsh before then you had better not read any further…..

Todd Bentley and his cohorts really outdid themselves Saturday night in Lakeland Florida. Bentley promised us there would be a “baptism of fire” and he certainly didn’t disappoint the crowd that came to be “anointed with fire”. Here are some of the highlights…if I can call them this….

As always people were coming forward claiming to be healed of things like cancer, diabetes, back aches headaches and such. Glaringly absent….as ALWAYS….were miracles such as completely restored limbs or the dead being raised…which of course they claim happens SOMEWHERE every night….just NEVER on TV….Gee…I wonder why?

People were being brought onstage to Bentley….many either laughing uncontrollably or convulsing….Bentley asks them to “step over there”….apparently where the “angel is”….he shouts “bam”…..laughs hysterically….and they hit the floor writhing and laughing hysterically…..I picture Satan laughing hysterically as well.

You know who NEVER gets affected by any of this? The folks standing behind these silly sheeple who act as “catchers” when the sheeple are being “anointed with fire” or whatever is happening to them. I think it’s amazing how these catchers seem to be the only ones in COMPLETE CONTROL……well I don’t think it’s that amazing….

Pastor Stephen Strader….the clown who brought this whole hoax to Lakeland…..running around like a fool….with his ever present laptop in hand….pretending to be “drunk in the spirit”….falls down…..only he was VERY careful with his PC…..clutching it closely to his chest as he “falls down”…..then calmly gets up and walks over to his chair and sits down… if nothing ever happened! Thank you GOD TV for showing this.

Bentley and his cohorts catchphrase…“Come get some” is straight out of the WWE….Maybe when GOD TV goes bankrupt from airing this fiasco the WWE can show this like “Smackdown”….nah…we know Smackdown isn’t real….they only pretend it’s real…but at least its entertaining….there is NOTHING entertaining about Bentley’s version of Smackdown….and anyone with even an ounce of discernement can see this “revival” isn’t the real deal either.

The silly sheeple looking for a sign deserve to be shorn by Bentley…they’ve been warned that what is happening in Lakeland isn’t of God….and they have ignored the warnings and plunged headfirst…or backwards in many cases…into a Satan induced hoax…and they have no one to blame but themselves.

Theology Today will continue to expose this heresy as long as it continues….and I don’t see any end in sight.

Ouch, that burned!

Simple Resources For Further Research

Here are some of the many sites I've used to read up on the revival, and not "feel" one way or the other, whether it is right or not.

Remember, use these links as starting points for your research. Verify and corroborate the information, to make sure it is so.

Witnessing it yourself, video, or reading it yourself, article/"teaching" on Freshfire.CA, is the best way, not just going off of hearsay and what you read somewhere on the Internet.

And be warned, many of the articles/posts/emails/comments you will see on these sites are repeated elsewhere.

Seeing an "opinion" multiple times DOES NOT make it so.

Pray about what's going on in my town of Lakeland, read a little, compare what you read/see to the Bible, to see if it is so.

Wolf Tracks
Revival Read up on the Forums
Church Warnings

Or, just do some research for yourself, and read some of the links beyond the first page of links. BTW, don't forget to bookmark the link to that little nugget of truth you find.
Google Todd Bentley, and read the articles beyond the first few.
Google Todd Bentley Lakeland There is some good stuff here.
Google Todd Bentley Cold Reading Yes, you read right.

And, if you want to read a lot, and spend a lot of time filtering through tons of information, check out other blogs talking about the Lakeland revival and Todd Bentley.

Wow, it's a beautiful Sunday morning in Lakeland, with the sunrise across the lake!

Good day to you!